Episode 9: Make it Work - Jessica Abel

Episode 9: Make it Work

It’s one thing to finish a story, it’s another to make stories your career. In our final episode of season one of Out on the Wire we talk to three creative professionals, Jakob Lewis of the podcast Neighbors, Dave Kellett of the comics Sheldon and Drive and the documentary Stripped, and Kelly Sue DeConnick, writer of the comics Bitch Planet and Pretty Deadly, about how they create their work, put food on the table, and make a life in the constantly shifting creative landscape.

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Your challenge

This is the last episode of Out on the Wire Season One, so the real question is, once you’ve learned some storytelling skills, what’s next? Your ongoing challenge:

Make your work. Keep making it. Find support. Take control of how you’ll make money from your work. Make more work. Get shit done!

This week we heard from:

Jakob Lewis, Dave Kellett, and Kelly Sue DeConnick.

Links to the stories and shows we talked about:

Jakob’s podcast Neighbors

The Heard Podcast Collective

This American Life #389 Long Shot

The Transom Story Workshop

The Third Coast International Audio Festival

Dave’s comic strip Sheldon

Dave’s sci-fi Comic Drive

Dave and Fred Schroeder’s documentary Stripped

Kelly Sue’s FAQ

The “how do you do it all” message on Kelly Sue’s Tumblr

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— Kelly Sue DeConnick, 15 January 2016, Bitches Get Shit Done

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